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Oluwatosin  
#21 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2015 9:15:07 AM(UTC)
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That's a subject for it's own topic, as this topic is for the 4 port dedicated USB card for a PCIe slot. It won't work on a laptop, and I am not aware of a 4 port grabber using a single USB output to a laptop.


i will try send the picture of the usb grabber to ur email.
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#22 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2015 8:41:43 PM(UTC)
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madness wrote:
That's a subject for it's own topic, as this topic is for the 4 port dedicated USB card for a PCIe slot. It won't work on a laptop, and I am not aware of a 4 port grabber using a single USB output to a laptop.



Check the Magewell site...they have a 6 input SD capture box that is USB, and I think they have SD & HD version......
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:36:12 AM(UTC)
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@ Bardos

The Magewell capture box series of devices use breakout cables to capture video and audio signals from 'traditional' sources, none of which are USB webcam sources...
They are great devices if you have the appropriate cameras to connect to them, but you will have a hard time connecting "webcams" to them.


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#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2015 12:28:45 PM(UTC)
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Oluwatosin wrote:
madness wrote:
That's a subject for it's own topic, as this topic is for the 4 port dedicated USB card for a PCIe slot. It won't work on a laptop, and I am not aware of a 4 port grabber using a single USB output to a laptop.


i will try send the picture of the usb grabber to ur email.


Why?
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:59:14 AM(UTC)
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Hello vMix community

First I want to thank you for this wonderful application !!

I had problem using 5x "Live! Cam Chat HD" (720p) + 1x LifeCam Studio (1080p). When connected, I configured the inputs and got an error "Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service."

After some researches, I found out that it was a USB Host issue. I got inspired by Tom Sinclair's youtube video, bought the same 4-port PCI controller, and now the problem still occurs.

I would like to use 5x LifeCam Studio in future, but first I need to be sure I'm able to run them.

I noticed in the Startech manual, Device Manager is showing the new ports as "Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controllers".
My system is showing them as "Renesas Electronics USB 3.0 Host Controlers" !!

Could you tell me how your Device Manager shows up the hubs? I got confused. Any ideas what could "Bottleneck" my system?


My Systems Specs Are:

Win 7 Ultimate 64bit
Intel i7 4590K
Nvidia GTX 970 4GB
16GB RAM
4x HDD / 1TB

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#26 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:57:13 PM(UTC)
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My system shows my card as having 4 "Renesas USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 1.0(Microsoft)
But this is on Windows 10, and using the windows native drivers.
I haven't gone looking for the native Startech/Renesas drivers, however, it is working also.

If I run all 4 ports as USB cameras, it tends to really load down the resources on 10. I'll look into the updated driver, if there is one, but I think I'm going to have to do some more upgrading before I can use all 4 ports to their potential.

My i7-920 system running at 2.8GHz OC is getting a little long in the tooth now, as it was assembled in Dec, 2008.
vMix is really giving it a workout. But then again, for what it does, it should.
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:03:01 PM(UTC)
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Just went to the Startech site, and the drivers were last updated in Sept. 2012 for this device. I don't think that's going to help.
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#28 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:01:44 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info!

On Starteck's installation CD the drivers are from 2013 and thats weird... Also I searched Renesas Site, but no luck, same old drivers.

I think I have to contact them, but any input from you guys is welcome!

Btw, where to see "recourses"?
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#29 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:25:41 PM(UTC)
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You can see your system resources by doing the "Control+Shift+Esc" sequence, and selecting the performance tab.

The CPU resources are what I am referring to.

I just purchased an upgrade for my P6T deluxe v2 and i7-920 processor with 18GB memory.
I ordered a used Xeon x5680 processor off ebay for $160. It replaces my 2.67GHz Quad core with 8mb cache and QPI of 4.8GT\s, with a 3.33GHz hexacore with 12mb cache, and 6.4GT\s.

base speed increases by ~600mhz
8 threads to 12

That ought to get me a couple more years out of this setup, holding off a $1200-$1500 upgrade to what's currently hot.
Ought to reduce my resource useage a little along the way as well.
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#30 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:20:11 PM(UTC)
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Intel's X5680 is a very good choice indeed! I'm looking to build a beast too, I want to order and use 2x 4-HDMI Capture Cards (PCI) from Magewell, building that in a nice custom glass-windowed wall construction.

I'm using vMix for arena game streaming. I have 5 "Clients" streaming via FFMPEG RTSP to my VMIX rig, and need 5 webcam inputs from each. That's why I ordered a USB Hub. Another option is to use IP-Cams, but that will cost again much, and a Magewell Card costs already 900$.

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#31 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2015 1:43:18 PM(UTC)
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The x5860 won't exactly be a beast by today's standards, but it should provide at least a 35% boost over my current system. Should get me another year or 2 I hope before I spend the big money for a complete system rebuild.

This processor is just a slight improvement over the i7-980x in performance, but using a smaller process. 32nm instead of 45nm.

The excess cache, the faster speed, the extra cores, and therefore threads... it should be a noticeable performance boost.

I ran across another card today, also from Startech, but is a dedicated 4 port USB 2 device. Being as all the webcams today are currently only USB2, this might be a more feasible option. Not only that, but the port orientation provides a better fit of the connectors solving an concern of sinc747 (Tom Sinclair).

http://www.amazon.com/St...inements=p_89%3AStarTech
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#32 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2015 1:49:35 PM(UTC)
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Can someone explain to me why I can place 2 USB2 cameras on a USB hub and get 2 images in vMix from those 2 cameras, but if I try to do the same on a USB3 port I get a bandwidth notification?

I would think that as I have more bandwidth on the USB3 ports, I should be able to place more devices/cameras on each port before running out of bandwidth.

Will this be the same on USB 3.1 ports?

I've had as many as 3 webcams on a single USB2 port, but that 3rd camera was causing intermittent connectivity.
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#33 Posted : Saturday, August 29, 2015 5:52:34 PM(UTC)
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madness wrote:
Can someone explain to me why I can place 2 USB2 cameras on a USB hub and get 2 images in vMix from those 2 cameras, but if I try to do the same on a USB3 port I get a bandwidth notification?


"It's in the way that you use it." - Eric Clapton

What make & model of cameras are you using?

How are you setting up their video formats? Leaving them at "Default" I presume?

If you use the Logitech cameras that support MJPEG & H.264 encoding you should have no issues with USB bus bandwidth.

The Microsoft LifeCam Studio is also capable of MJPEG encoding. I wrote a little about this quite recently.

In all cases you must set the video format for each cameras in vMix. Using Using MJPEG encoding will result in the least latency in the webcam video.
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#34 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 6:12:33 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info!

I thought I had stated in this thread the webcams, but if not...
1 logitech c920
1 MS lifecam studio
2 logitech c270

the c920 was setup for 1080p
the other cameras were setup to use 720p

Can't say currently on the format they are set at because I just upgraded the processor from an i7-920 quad core running at 2.8GHz, to a Xeon 5680 hex core running at 3.5GHz, and vMix is waiting on becoming re activated.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:14:40 PM(UTC)
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Got into vMix tonight on this system, and after running a few benchmarks before and after the upgrade, I had determined this upgrade to be anywhere from 150-192% boost in performance marks.

I launched vMix, and opened up the last preset I used that has 14 inputs, of which 4 are webcams, and the system is sitting here running happily at less than 30% system, FPS 30, render 11-15ms and CPU 16%. Looks like I've gain some nice overhead with the new processor upgrade.
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#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 2, 2015 7:01:57 PM(UTC)
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Ok, have done some more testing.

Inputs:
1. Animated looping .mov background 1920x1080 29.97 fps
2. Animated transparent flag .mov 1920x1080 29.97 fps
3. Multiview virtual input of backgound on Main, and flag on overlay1, and cropped to fin background frame
4. C920 Logitech 1920x1080 MJPG, 29.97fps, no audio. zoom: 1.4, rotate Z:1.57
5. virtual input motion .mov background main, c920 overlay1, position zoom 1.274, Pan Y: 2
6. virtual input motion .mov background main, c920 overlay1, position zoom 1
7. virtual input motion .mov background main, c920 overlay1, position zoom 1, Pan Y: -1.48
8. Microsoft Lifecam Studio 1920x1080 YUY2 29.97fps, no audio, no position adjustments.
9. Logitech C270 1280x720 RFB24 29.97fps, no audio, no position adjustments, mirrored
10. Logitech C270 1280x720 RFB24 29.97fps, no audio, no position adjustments, mirrored
11. Timer up count overlay
12. Lower third, non animated
13. MultiviewHD.xaml, 1920x1080 29.97fps with Input 8 and Input 3 as sources.
14. NewsHD.xaml
15. HP webcam HD-2200 640x480 29.97fps, no audio, no position adjustments.

Output: NTSC 29.97p 1280x720 widescreen
FPS: 30 Render time: 12-20ms CPU: 28-32%

Overall CPU:36-44%
Recording bumps overall CPU to about 50%


Although that last camera is a crap webcam, I have 5 cameras on the system, with 4 on the Starteck USB 3 interface.

I think this will do for now.
I do have a Startech USB3HDCAP interface yet to connect and try. That's next.
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#37 Posted : Monday, September 14, 2015 11:18:30 AM(UTC)
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Now that sounds great! Your CPU is in good condition!

My actual preset has over 60 inputs (+virtual inputs, 6 Cams) and my i7 4790K (OC 4.5GHZ) is running at 75%. Everything runs nicely, but I still have to run several background programs, and I usually go over 93%. That's why I want to upgrade to a more powerfull CPU.

Btw, I got my Cam system working now, and I'm running 6 webcams. 5x @720p30 and 1x @1080p60

Sorry for the reply delay, was in vacation :)
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#38 Posted : Monday, September 14, 2015 12:30:13 PM(UTC)
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I received a Logitech c930e Friday, so now I can run 3 1080p cams, and 2 720p cams. I Still haven't tried my xBox Kinect and my StarTech USB3HDCAP device yet. Of course the Kinect is not compatible with vMix, but I do use it with Visikord software. If only there was a virtual output in Visikord that I could input into vMix.
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#39 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2015 3:24:17 AM(UTC)
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Having worked with similar issues before under other video switching systems, I found that the "HighPoint RocketU 1144C 3rd Generation 4-Port USB 3.0 Controller Card" provides 4 clear full bandwidth paths and each USB 3.0 port is on its own internal HUB. This is VERY important when using Microsoft LifeCam Studio (FULL HD). I have successfully connected 4 Microsoft LifeCam Studio webcams (Mfg. Part: Q2F-00013) at 30FPS and full HD with no dropped frames using Vidblaster and Wirecast ( Neither of these packages support "Webcams" and recommend against using them... And I DO NOT recommend using either VB or Wirecast.). For audio input I used a cheap 2 port M-Audio ASIO box. FULL Frame rate and perfect Audio Sync. P.S. I tried EVERY card in the Startech line and none worked. I just found this nice vMix package and plan on testing it out in the next few days... Looking good so far!
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#40 Posted : Thursday, October 1, 2015 4:51:04 AM(UTC)
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OK, Test completed... 30 FPS FULL HD Using Life Cam Studio and Rocket Raid worked perfectly! System is a 6 core AMD 6300 @ 4.4 GHZ with 3 SSD's 8 Gigs Memory... CPU 50%. I had 23 lost frames over a 6 min HD recording. I am VERY pleased with this software!!!!! Far better then anything else I have used.
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